Monday was the ten-year anniversary of the shootings at Columbine high school in Littleton, not far from where we live in Denver. I'm sure that the coverage has been nationwide, but obviously since this was a local tragedy, the coverage here has been pretty dense. Some of it I find distasteful; I never like footage of sobbing, distraught people because I find it invasive and manipulative, and to re-air such terrible footage ten years down the line only shows that such footage does not improve with time.
But it has definitely been an eye-opening experience for me, to see how this community has handled such a tragedy. They say that everyone remembers where they were when they found out about the shootings, but that's not true for me. I have a vague memory of where I was when I found out, but I think it's wrong because the memory I have is of my middle school and the shootings took place in 1999, when I was in high school.
Still, I do remember being very upset about it, all the more so because it was my peers who were affected; high school kids just like me. It was not difficult to make the transfer and imagine that the shootings had taken place at my high school instead of another; seeing people my own age on the news, reading about people my own age being shot... well, it was easy to relate.
I recently finished a book that I loved, The Hour I First Believed by Wally Lamb, a novel that focuses on a couple who both worked at Columbine High School and how they were affected by the shootings over the next ten years. The book is fascinating, and may be my favorite of Wally Lamb's books, though I love them all.
One thing that it touched on was the fury toward the two shooters, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris. The refusal to acknowledge that when they turned their guns on themselves, their lives were lost too. That although they committed a heinous act, they too were victims. That, especially, their families were victims.
I can understand that attitude, and never having been in the position of having someone I love killed by another person, I don't know how I would react in that situation. But certainly if your child has been shot in cold blood, and at school, a place that's supposed to be safe--well, I doubt you'd have much sympathy for the killers. Especially right after the event.
But still, it makes me sad that ten years later, the victim count is at 13, not 15. That the two killers weren't named at any memorial services. That a woman carrying a sign asking that all 15 victims be remembered was asked to leave the memorial service.
In my opinion, anyone who is depraved enough to want to end the lives of innocent people around them... that person has a problem. A serious problem, one much bigger than himself. One that he is most likely not equipped to deal with on his own. That person is, in a different way from those people that he killed, a victim. A victim whose life ended prematurely, even if he chose to end it while his victims did not have that same choice.
And more than the killers themselves, the families of the shooters are victims. They, along with the other parents, lost their children. But unlike those other parents, they have no sympathy. They can't look back and say, Oh, I had a wonderful, beautiful, loving child who was struck down too young through no fault of his own. Instead, they have to live with guilt and horror, with questions, wondering how they managed not to see the signs, wondering if they could have done anything to prevent this from happening, wondering how they could have raised a child who would grow up to do something so terrible.
And they have no public sympathy, no support. The community is not willing to acknowledge their losses, their dilemmas. A local priest lost his job after performing a service for Dylan Klebold at the request of his father. Who is there for those families? And who is pointing fingers and making their ordeal worse, even ten years later?
But maybe I'm the only one to feel this way. Maybe it would just make all those memorial services more painful for the families of those who were killed, maybe even ten years later the community is just too close to the situation to be able to acknowledge that those who wrought the violence were victims themselves, and that their families continue to be victims. Maybe people really do believe that those two killers' actions were the result of some sort of fault or negligence on the part of their families.
What do you think? Should the killers and their families be acknowledged in these memorial services, these ways of remembering those who lost their lives or whose lives were forever altered that day?
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I am in the middle of reading the book, it really struck me that I was reading it over the 10 year anniversary. It is a great novel, I love his books. I agree that 15 victims should be remembered.
ReplyDeleteWhat an interesting take on this anniversary week, Jess. Though, I'm not sure I completely see eye-to-eye with you on recognizing the killers at the memorials. I think it's a tragedy they lost their lives because no one was equipped with the knowledge or ability to help them during life. And I agree that it must be horrific to be their families, coping with loss in the face of murder. But, to group the killers together with the kids who lost their lives without choice? Well, I don't think they deserve it.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, if media has agreed not to cover stories of suicide for fear others will copy, then I don't think the killers should be recognized in the media either. Because, quite frankly, school killings have most certainly increased over the past decade. The real shame in all of this is that the kids who need help - most of them still aren't getting it. And that begs the question that, other than increased security at schools, have we really learned our lesson?
I'm reading the book right now, too. I'm about halfway through and his writing is so startlingly profound. Reading it has made me think about Columbine in a way I never did before.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure exactly where I fall in this debate. Certainly, it's wrong that the parents of Klebold and Harris have no support in the community, because one thing I do know for sure is that the shootings weren't their fault. I can't imagine what they must live with every day, even 10 years later.
But I don't know if Klebold and Harris should be included in the memorial services. They were certainly victims -- of society, of themselves -- but it seems wrong to group them in with the kids they murdered.
It's weird but I do remember exactly what I was doing when I first heard about what happened at Columbine. Weird because I was only in 5th grade and pretty much on the other side of the country.
ReplyDeleteAnd SoMi brings up a good point, as someone who went to high school about five years after this, I saw some of the exact same shit that apparently drove Klebold and Harris over the deep end. Did any adult do anything? No.
The shooters wanted to kill even more than those 13 victims. Remember the bombs that they tried to set off in the cafeteria?
ReplyDeleteThey deserve nothing.
These kids we are talking about cannot be compared to let's say, the terrorists who flew the planes into the Twin Towers. Those guys deserve no sympathy. They were adults, making a choice with an adult sized brain.
ReplyDeleteThese kids were lost souls, they had no support, maybe society failed them from the beginning. Killing wasn't their best choice obviously, but somehow they felt that was their only choice. I am not sure bringing up their names in the same service as the kids they killed would be the perfect choice but ignoring them and their families isn't either.
Maybe a seperate memorial service for them, their families and friends would be appropriate. And if anybody from the other childrens' circles wanted to go, they should be allowed to. Similarly, if the killers' parents want to attend the killed children's memorial service,s nobody should be pointing fingers at them. Yes, their children were killers but does that really make their loss any less than the other parents'? I agree with Jess, it's probably worse for them.
Because I have a hard time garnering sympathy for individuals who kill themselves after killing others, I don't feel they should be memorialized along with the others they murdered.
ReplyDeleteThe killers do not deserve to be memorialized. There were 13 victims and 2 murderers. They knew what they were doing and they were not victims of society. Some people are just inherently bad.
ReplyDeleteI think that this is a very thorny issue for those close to it. It's easy for me to say that of COURSE those parents should be included in the opportunity to mourn - but I still have my baby girl with me. My faith tells me that I could embrace the family, who would surely be hurting... But the very human side of me just doesn't know.
ReplyDeleteThe parents of these children surely don't deserve to be shunned. By all accounts, they were good, involved parents. I don't know how they could miss something so major, but I've never parented a teenager either. It's such a sad story - I am praying for reconciliation and peace for those families.
On a lighter note - I LOVE Wally Lamb! Definitely one of my favorites - I love "She's Come Undone" and "I Know This Much is True." He's such a gifted storyteller! Am going to stop by the library tonight to pick this one up - thanks!
I have a hard time believing that ANY 13 year old is just evil. I can see why those parents of the victims wouldn't want to share their sorrow with the killers parents though.
ReplyDeleteI do feel bad for their parents, they deserve some support. They lost children too.
As the mother of a high school student and an employee of a public school district, I can see the issue from both sides.
ReplyDeletePublic school officials have their hands full with the increasing demands of parents who refuse to parent and want the schools to take over for them, a government who dictates what must be taught to every single soul attending school regardless of that individual's abilities, and the ever-changing attitudes of society. Finding the lost ones falls down the rungs as more is piled on top. I worry for my own son, and for those around him.
I agree with Syl, give the parents and other family members of the two shooters a place to grieve and find peace. They will NEVER get over their loss. They will NEVER be released from their shame because there are people out there who refuse to let them.
I don't agree that the killers should be memorialized with the 13 victims who were killed. They willingly shot their peers and teachers, hoping to kill as many as possible. They were very deliberate in their actions and in my opinion don't deserve sympathy. There are plenty of people out there who have problems or have been teased, and they don't go around shooting people because they are miserable.
ReplyDeleteI do think that the parents should be allowed to attend the memorial services though since they weren't the ones who pulled the trigger. They, like the other parents, lost their children too and should be allowed to grieve with the support of the community.
I understand the impulse to keep the group memorials limited to 13. Thinking of the families of those kids, the anniversary has to be painful, and they deserve a space to just grieve and remember without having to confront the thorny issue of whether they're obligated to forgive the shooters, or to consider them "victims".
ReplyDeleteBUT, I agree with you 100% that the families of the shooters also experienced real loss, and real grief. It's hard for me to understand why people feel they're not entitled to that grief, that their loss is somehow less because it was their kid who caused the tragedy. And as you noted, in a way it may be even harder, because they're left always having to wonder how this all could have been avoided, and their memories of their child are forever colored by the horrible thing that child did at the end of his life. I can't imagine how hard it is to be that parent.
Boy, this is such a hard one. I do not find it difficult at all to put myself in the shoes of the Klebolds (not so much the Harrises, although I think this is a cultural thing), and one of the things that stuck with me at the time was their pain, and their dignity in the face of massive mob fury.
ReplyDeleteAt the same time, it does not seem fair to the other families to grieve them all equally, as if it were just a tornado or other act of god that came through and felled 14 kids and a grownup. Two kids did the felling. Yes, they were mentally ill, and yes, they were only kids--but these are excuses that can be used with a lot of crimes.
What I wish is that we as a society had some third way to deal with death, other than teddy bear memorials and spitting on graves--some way to grieve the murderers that is not quite forgiving and not quite absolving, but still gets at the pain. Some way for society to say to the murderer's family, There but for the grace of God go I.
Because THAT'S the point, here, I think. NO ONE practices perfect parenting, but the Klebolds and the Harrises are paying brutally for their parenting failures, while most other parents get off with a "Man, those teenage years were rough."
I agree with you Jess. There should be 15 victims. Two young men were treated badly and no one noticed....not the school, their parents or their friends. It affected them deeply and emotionally. It was so bad wanted to hurt a lot of people. Hopefully, the school system in Colorado has learned from this tragedy. It is a lesson, our public school system is not perfect and needs a lot of work.
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Thank you for this post. I wrote an editorial to my local newspaper when I was 15 about this exact issue: after the shootings, the media only referred to 13 victims, and even as at 15-year-old I realized that the parents of the two shooters must be hurting, if possible, even more than the other 13 pairs of parents. The two shooters weren't outcasts who were pushed over the edge by the ridicule of jocks - they were normal kids who had attended the prom the week before, but who apparently had some deep psychological issues that no one noticed. It wouldn't be fair to the families of the 13 students they killed to include them in the same memorial services, but it's a horrible reflection on the rest of us that they haven't even been allowed to mourn the loss of their children with the community support they deserve, just like the rest of the victims. Those parents must have made mistakes, but so have all parents, and there's definitely a large measure of bad luck that played a part here. The line between where someone is young enough to be considered "failed by society" and when they're old enough to be considered "adults, making a choice with an adult sized brain" is in no way clear, and in my opinion even adults who commit unthinkable acts have probably been failed by society in some way, and the difference is probably that we no longer consider them redeemable. But who knows if these two boys were redeemable? We never will, but they are definitely victims too, and their families deserve sympathy and support.
ReplyDeleteThe couple of people who have commented that they deserve nothing need to re-examine themselves. What if your child committed a heinous crime? Would you feel the same way then? Mental illness is unbelievably complex and not at all understood. I'm not saying we shouldn't feel any rage towards people who commit murder; I'm just saying that it's totally unproductive to write people off as nothing but evil. That's the kind of thinking that can magnify into hatred and breed ever more crime.
I can completely understand that the families of the victims don't want these two remembered in the same Memorial Service.
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Tough subject. I want to read the Wally Lamb book, but haven't yet. I agree that the two boys and especially their families are victims as well, BUT remembering them at THE SAME memorial service doesn't make sense to me. Yes they were victims, but in a different way, and more importantly to the other victims' friends and families, they were also the murderers of their loved ones.
ReplyDeleteI always try to look at these situations (if I have to, I'd rather not) by putting myself in the shoes of the people involved. Had I been a parent of one of the victims (not the shooters), I do not think I would appreciate the shooters being memorialized at the same service. HOWEVER, I also think I could find some compassion in my hearts for the parents. Any parent of a teen knows that they are MASTERS at hiding whatever turmoil is taking place within their psyches. I don't think I would or could hold friends and families of the shooters responsible for the shooters' actions. I doubt I could find that same compassion for the shooters themselves, I'm not that good of a person.
Had I been a parent of one of the shooters, I also don't think I would want my child memorialized at the same service with his victims (and they ARE *his* victims), because my child KILLED those other children; to remember him at their service would be inappropriate. That said, I still lost my child, a child I loved as much as those parents loved their children, and I now have to deal with the pain of losing my child AND the pain of knowing what he did to others' children. Unlike those others, my child CAUSED the tragedy and I will forever be burdened with the questions of what I could have done differently, and was I not paying enough attention, etc. So I should be able to have a memorial service for my child if I so desire.
The priest that lost his job? That is absolutely ridiculous, regardless of what side you are on. Part of the JOB of the church is to teach forgiveness, and it CERTAINLY teaches that God forgives, even when we can't. It is also part of the jobs of religious leaders to comfort people in difficult times, and that priest was trying to do so for that boy's father, who asked him to hold the service for his son. Though from the rest of the community's perspective, it was too soon, the wound still too raw (the service was in 1999). A small private service would have been more appropriate at that time. Still, not an action worthy of his job loss, in my opinion.
I think you hit the nail right on the head with the idea that it is just too soon to look at the situation logically and not emotionally. And it may always be too soon while there are people in the community who were so profoundly impacted that they remember exactly where they were when it occured, like their own personal 9/11.
ReplyDeleteI can't say what is best in this situation as I am so far removed from it. As a society, we do not mourn for the mother's who's sons are executed for their crimes. I am not saying this is right or wrong, but rather, just is.
10 years. Wow. I remember it like it was yesterday. Such a tragedy.
ReplyDeleteI am going to send you an email about this; not Columbine in particular, but regarding mourning for a killer.
ReplyDeleteI am reading 'The Hour I First Believed' currently, and I also LOVE Wally Lamb.
Although it's sad that two more lives were lost that day, the two killers in no way deserve to be recognized with the 13 victims. They chose to take their own lives, the other 13 didn't choose to die. I don't agree though about the pastor that lost his job because he did a service for one of the killers. That's just not right (for him to lose his job.)
ReplyDeleteI just finished that book, too! I love Wally Lamb, but I think it was my *least* favorite!
ReplyDeleteI totally see where you're coming from regarding the acknowledging the death of the killers and the lack of sympathy for their families, but even more so, I agree with your perspective regarding the media coverage.
I've always hated the "commodification" of tragedies by the media...the ribbons, T-shirts, flags, slogans, bumper stickers, all that crap. I, too, find the coverage distasteful. It cheapens and demoralizes.
I've gotten in many arguments with people over this, but those memorial services - while I'm sure are meaningful and do/should serve a purpose - come across as a media show. It doesn't matter whether the killers are "officially" included or not, they're still getting "press." If some troubled kid wants to come to school and kills his classmates, the overall media hoopla (and perceived notoriety as a result of it) is going to motivate him more than the memorialization of the Columbine killers.
Don't get me wrong, I feel for everyone involved and it was such a terrible thing that happened. I just don't think there needs to be such carnival-like fanfare...it all seems slightly undignified to me.
Jess, I am leaving this comment as anonymous only because this is not something I publically talk about on my own blog. I hope you understand.
ReplyDeleteMy little brother was shot and killed when he was 20 years old. He was killed by a 17 year old, and while I can rationally understand the complexities of drugs, violence, poverty, and the hopelessness of being a young male with seemingly nothing in the world to hold onto... I cannot cannot cannot ever forgive his killer. I cannot. I swing between apathy and sort of frightening rage, when I really want him to die, to be stripped of his human-ness.
I see the other side as a third party. But I also know that the hurt of having someone violently taken from you changes who you are. I wish it didn't. It does.
I agree that the two killers should be remembered if not only for the sake of their families. However, if it wasn't for their actions, there wouldn't be a need to remember the thirteen victims - so I don't think I agree that they should be remembered in the same memorial service.
ReplyDeleteIt's a really thought provoking post.
I can't believe that was ten years ago already. I don't remember where I was when I heard about it, though, which is maybe weird since I do remember exactly where I was when I heard about the Oklahoma City bombings, the World Trade Center, and also Princess Diana's death.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the commenters who said it wouldn't be fair to the other victims' families to remember the shooters in the same memorial. That would make an already so difficult situation even more difficult for them. I do feel bad for the families of the shooters, though. If it's true that the community hasn't reached out to them or shown them the same support and understanding as it's shown the other families, that is a sad result.
I think it might be asking too much of the families of the victims to be able to recognize the parents of the two shooters as parents who are also suffering a great loss, and added to that the guilt and blame for what their kids did. I do think they are victims, but I don't think they should be included in the memorial services, etc. The families should have the right to have their own service though, as they also lost a child. There was a shooting here just a month ago, where one boy killed 15 and himself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_massacre
ReplyDeleteMagazines ended up having articles dedicated to some of the families, and it made me wonder how the shooter's family must feel. The shooter did gain access to a gun because his father didn't keep it locked up as he was supposed to but I don't think you can just blame the parents for what happened. I wonder if in a way the parents of these shooters feel worse than the parents of the victims.
I also agree that all 15 victims should be remembered, but I'm not sure that the memories of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold should receive the same type of attention as the other victims. It's a really touchy issue, and there are so many shades of grey.
ReplyDeleteI've always felt so strongly for Harris and Klebold's families though.
I can't believe it's been ten years already. I remember where I was when I heard about the shootings. I think I lost a little bit of my innocence that day. It was, and still is, such a tragedy.
I, like others who have commented, remember right where I was when I first heard the news. Driving to school. I can't believe how much things changed.
ReplyDeleteI have to say that I don't agree that the killers should be added to any memorial. While I think that their families are victims, I don't feel the same way about those two boys. I can't imagine being a parent of one of the children they killed, and every time I went to their memorial, seeing the killers names "honored" there.
Kids are unfortunately bullied everyday and don't all go off the deep end. I can only imagine that if we memorialized those children, what copy-cats that would inspire.
Hmmm... this was a really sticky one.
ReplyDeleteI do agree with you that those two boys were victims in their own right. Should they be 'memoralized' with the other victims? No, I don't think so.
But, it really saddens me that people are still so angry and unforgiving after 10 years. Yes, what they did was premeditated and yes, it was horrendous. But the one thing I learned as a child was, that in the end of time there is only ONE that can judge and it is not me or you or anyone else. It serves no purpose to crucify the dead.
1. I definitely think it was wrong for a priest to lose his job over performing a funeral service for one of the shooters.
ReplyDelete2. I can't think of murderers who then committed suicide as "victims." I'll give you that the shooters FAMILIES are victims, but families aren't being included in the victim count.
I agree with Swistle.
ReplyDeleteSo, the Harris and Klebold families *still* live in the area? That is shocking to me. If my child commited such a heinous act, I don't think I could continue living in that community. First, knowing how horrible and guilty I would feel that my offspring had taken part in such travesty. But also because I think I'd "owe" it to the families of those who were murdered to remove myself (and the rest of my family) from their life/community. I'm not saying they should have moved across the country, but perhaps enough distance away as to not be a focus. I don't know. I can't imagine the amount of ridicule they must have encountered the last 10 years. I don't think I could handle it, myself. Also, putting myself in the place of a parent/sibling of one of the victims, I think I'd want them gone.
ReplyDelete15 died, 13 were victims of murder, 2 knew there names would live on if they killed themselves.
I agree with you, but I can understand the need of the other victims families to not acknowledge them as victims. I would probably feel the same way in their shoes. And victims or not, they did cause what happened, so if their names are left out, then I can understand it.
ReplyDeleteHowever, a priest losing his job, or people not being allowed to include them as victims in on signs or crosses, I think is terrible. And I definitely do feel for their families.
I just read the book, too and loved it.
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